For a book deal or a movie would guilty or innocent be a more profitable ending? So what? Cooper tells his audience that his interview guest is responsible for an innocent man being executed. Mr. Martin ought to be ashamed of himself for violating professional norms.Although you found time to utter the falsehoods I have debunked above, you did not challenge my main points. The pathology of the conservative political ideology which has consumed Texas is apparently widely underestimated and misunderstood. It is highly doubtful there was a confession I have no doubt if there was it would have been released long ago and used to fight His final appeal it was not . If the prosecutor murdered Willingham and Goodhair helped them get away with it, and they all met at the local watering hole to celebrate their accomplishment, Goodhair would be guaranteed the governorship by the voters of Texas. His story changed, I understand, 27 times. So I'll say it again. I claimed only that Mr. Willinghams first appeal did not raise ineffective counsel, not that he never raised this issue; please stop uttering falsehoods.Because it is not raised in an appeal, therefore, your statement was irrelevant, ignorant, and deliberately misleading. That is now followed by a statement from Stacy, contradicting every other statement or testimony she has ever made or given, now claiming that Willingham confessed. Throughout the process, Stacy Kuykendall, Willingham's former wife and the mother of the three victims, has maintained that he was guilty of the murders. I don't know if she had any other children than the three who died that day but it doesn't matter. Fond memories and expressions of sympathy may be shared at www.MountVernonMemorial.com for the Kuykendall family. 1945 - 2023 Patricia Darlene (Cotton) Walker, age 77, passed from this life to the next on January 10, 2023, in Baytown, TX. Whatever it is you are selling, I am not buying.Chris, As this back-and-forth comments conversation illustrates, the issues in the Willingham case are extremely complex. We know that Stacy N. (Sevier) Kuykendall had been residing in Texas. This Anon who sees enough doubt in this case to yell foul is a pretty firm believer in the death penalty. I put the wrong link to the story above but can find the correct one.It is a good link with a victim's family calling for anger to be turned around and used in a positive way.We have a system you do not trust but you give them your blessing to carry out executions of your choice.Todd Willingham was a young man. Others Named Stacy Kuykendall. Susan (Stafford) Kuykendall, Age 77, of Coal City, Illinois (formerly of Minooka/Channahon, Illinois), died peacefully, surrounded by her family on January 11, 2023, after a valiant battle with. Not that the behavior of Gov Goodhair John Bradly and the disgraceful defense attorney and the fanatical Pros have been a stellar example of doing everyth9ongot look as if you have something to lose and hide by him being innocent . There are just no two ways about it. The report is scientific and not about guilt or punishment. Nor can we convict a man on the basis of the words of a wife whom he beat and who lives with the grief of the loss of her children and a hatred for a man who she feels should have either saved them or died in the attempt. Or one might argue that she was still in the childrens bedroom when she called out to him. He was a member of Pleasant Ridge Baptist Church. You can't have it both ways. Stacy Kuykendall, Willingham's then-wife and the mother of his three daughters, was not home at the time of the fire. This thread was about the reliability of the grieving mother's statements and the remorseless insensitivity of Mr. Grits and the rest of you Monday Morning Quarterbacks who brand her a liar because you don't like what she says. There was the appearance of a solid case. David Kuykendall, Sr., age 75, of Hueytown, Alabama, passed away March 23, 2022. Goodhair and company sure are acting that way By defending this unethical attorney Willingham is guilty ? Beyler was paid to write a report about arson investigations, not to weigh in on Mr. Willingham's guilt or lack thereof, and certainly not for his (unknown) views on the death penalty. Nor am I going to call a fellow inmate who testified that Willingham confessed to him a liar either. Maybe you need looking into ? But justice is to sell to the highest bidder. It takes a special kind of place to produce people like that! Saving one's own skin rather than one's children is cowardly, but it doesn't in the least stack up to be considered depraved indifference.As I understand it, gross negligence amounting to depraved indifference requires that there is a legally bound duty of care in that scenario, one that binds even over their own safety. Not only will it be great to hear the tape but it will also tell us who also had this brilliant idea before you. Reasonable doubt has been established and Willingham's legacy may be changes in the standards for investigating arson. And again, if an atty is being accused of IAC they have the right to defend themselves. Go find a law library and start reading or pay for the privilege to access one online The more Goodhair ,TDCJ and the Pro DP fanatics cover up the worse it looks for them . Then I became AGAINST murderbefore birth and after birth. The stories go on and on and in the end, the only thing that matters is did he or did he not deliberately set that fire? Stacy N. (Sevier) Kuykendall (born 1981) - Texas They simply believe local law enforcement and prosecutors should be the sole arbiters of life and death for people of Willingham's socio-economic status and character, and they think it is perfectly good justice to hang Willingham for who he was -- regardless of what he allegedly did. Bud proudly served in the United States Army during WWII and worked in the Constabulary Unit. Something they thought terribly funny. We're better than that. Can you provide a link that shows that Mr. Willingham waived this privilege? The State of Texas buggered it up big time on this one and we all know it. Mr. Martin could have then argued with a modicum of truth that the case does indeed look different in hindsight, but he gratuitously attacked his client.You attacked Dr. Beylers credibility without troubling yourself to find any evidence. Stacy Kuykendall Ainge. O W Kuykendall (Kirk or Dub to his family and friends) passed away November 1, 2021. I would bet you decided Willingham's guilt before the jury did. She was never charged in this attempted 1st-degree murder. Just because you claim to not know how you would act doesn't mean that others of us don't.You don't, unless you've been in a fire -- and I mean a real fire, not an exploding barbecue or a smoldering sofa you put out with the fire extinguisher. There is a difference between morals and crimes but our society today is even quicker to pass judgment. Tags Amber Kuykendall. Let's stop protecting ourselves and make Texas a better state. I survived because it was like an out of body experience. The people who keep the likes of Goodhair in his gig don't care whether Willingham set the fire or not. Why do you disagree with the lawyers who have criticized Mr. Martins actions on ethical grounds?And now you have the temerity to bring up Stacy Kuykendalls quite understandable pain and heartache as part of your attack on Scotts post. It's not like she was the prosecutor in the case and is going to feel any discomfort over the idea that an innocent person was executed. Ferrari Funeral. That's why I know OJ did it as he let the kids live because they were HIS kids. He was born the day before my 9th birthday. Warren Jeffs. Welcome to Texas justice: You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. Disclosing a work product is a violation of attorney client privilegeThe court stated that its ruling was based on atty client priviledge and not work product. We're not calling [Stacy] Kuykendall a liar,", statement to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, immediately after that last death-row visit. It has a blood stain about 2 feet acrossI believe. Ex-wife: Willingham killed 3 kids in arson case Not a pleasnt thought either That is a whole new area . at 11:47 AM, and Anon at 12:39 PM,The attorney-client privilege belongs to the client and extends beyond his death (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Attorney+client+privilege); therefore, your assertion to the contrary is flat-out wrong. His behavior was pretty incriminating and his statements tooall this apart from the physical evidence. Charles Kuykendall, 84, passed away on Nov. 2, 2018 in Lonoke, Ark. It does not help your position.I am unaware of his attorney repeating any confidential communications of Willingham. However, if Mr. Martin and Mr. Willingham discussed the pseudo-scientific test that Mr. Martin and his fellow attorney performed (which I find plausible), then Mr. Martin would be on very thin ice with respect to this privilege, absent a very good reason. Just leave us ALONE. One viewer of the Anderson video said that at first he thought that Mr. Martin was the prosecutor! Not at all. By these criteria, I have been civil, and you have not. You have some desperate need for Willingham to be guilty do you have something to hide? Somehow I think if there is a confession on the tape it would have been big news and splashed everywhere.Todd Willingham has become a well known name. But it seems that most of them felt grief and sadness instead. It probably does not exist because he never said it and it would have been used against him in his final appeal which would be public Just go to the Federal courts web site and sign up for PACER here is the URL http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/If a confession did exist it would have been released by now Seeing this blog is read nationally more than likely there are lot s of open records request for it . You sure act like some one who has a lot riding on this.Why not let the chips fall where they will. When he was observed initially, he showed no emotion. He said that his two year old daughter Amber woke him up from a nap and alerted him to the fire. Mr. Willinghams first appeal did not even raise the question of ineffective counsel, so the fact that it was not found in this instance is strictly meaningless.What is meaningless is what you wrote above. Could there be some pressure being used to make this woman change her story? The reason he didn't save Amber is obvious; he wanted her to die. "Also, I could have posted as "Anonymous" but chose to use my actual name. The reason he was immediately suspected was the mere fact that he was alive. If you wish to have a legal system that works with the presumption of innocent until proven guilty, works in a fair and just manner and is concerned with justice and truth over numbers and dollars, there's a very long way to go. Cameron Willingham and his then-wife Stacy with their daughter Anna (middle) and twin girls Karmon and Kameron ( Image: Frontline PBS/YouTube) Willingham, 36, gave his ex-wife, Stacy. We even have a lovely clip with the so called defense attorney who sounds like he should have been heading the lynch mob instead of defending anyone. Obituary Gary L. Kuykendall, of Ozark, passed away Sunday, October 16, 2022, in Charleston. Two, what scientific fault do you find with the reports of the last six years that have called the finding of arson into question?Chris. Grits its easy to fabricate contradictions when you make a sloppy summary of one statement and then you compare it to a lazy summary of another statement from 5 years previous. Annonymous Cyber bully thinks that by insulting , name callng and making fun of typos he will be right . Meanwhile you have not produced one scintilla of evidence to say otherwise or in any way shape or form to defend your position. Human rights and justice isn't real high on the list of values!It sure does take a special kind of place. I have to agree, Chris. Now she has to see her former daughter-in-law make statements that harm her stepsons memory at a critical juncture in the case, statements a reasonable person such as Scott would at least question. Co opting and the very real grief of a victm to silence other voices and political gain is rephensible and as immoral as those thease "Tough on Crime " ilk condemn so loudly . You never forget that smell or the way the smoke looks that comes from a burning house. For one thing, he seems to have contacted only one arson expert as a possible rebuttal witness. Is that it? They violated her confidence and made claims on her behalf that she herself contradicted consistently from the time of the fire at least through 1999, when she last gave a recorded interview. I lived in that hellhole for 25 years and I finally got out. He lived most of his youth in Waco, Texas. Yeah, I get it so cut the crap long enough to see who agrees with you and who doesn't. So much for that.Everything I said is the absolute truth. There were over 200 people at his funeral. Stacy Kuykendall. Much of what you say is opinion with no proof to back it up. The only reason Goodhair would be respected for a cover up is if he could spin it to show that lying about it would save the state monetary losses. Let's leave the character assassination to the other side. I read her statement 5 times and the more I read it the more I am convinced that she is telling the truth.Leave Ms. Kuykendall alone and don't cause her more pain. The case you refer to has nothing to do with IAC. They do record every Death Row vist from all I have been told by both boss and convicts . She interpreted it as him confessing to the murder. He was born in Henrietta, TX on September 24, 1928 to Theodore and Sarah E. Harvey Kuykendall. Are you a relative?Do we take the word of a jailhouse snitch? You'd get at least one of those kids out or die trying. He owes nothing to Willingham's ghost and he has a right to defend himself against accusations that he was ineffective. "I meant to say "I see the same pattern in his case as I see in her caselack of remorse, continuously changing their stories, continuously lying and telling fantastic stories that are clearly NOT true.". Bullshit. Hell, he wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him in the face. No, I don't think Willingham was guilty and I hope the hell that his legacy is to bring change. Join Facebook to connect with Stacy Kuykendall and others you may know. But if she's going to put herself out there and espouse positions that contradict her previous claims, including ones made under oath, IMO it's impossible to consider her statements without openly discussing that "dissonance," as you put it. The local authorities work for the wealthy interests in their jurisdiction, and those interests have the right to administer any brand of justice they wish. He sounds not only like the village idiot, but to do a bit of paraphrasing, The man doth protest too much, methinks. in that he is incapable of accepting that over the years the science of arson investigations has changed and that he may have been wrong.No lawyer with both honor and dignity would ever present themselves in such a manner. Reasonable doubt exists in the facts that got this man the death penalty. Your defense of Martin and his actions is no more than a feeble grasping at straws to defend a fast sinking ship. The point is she uttered an inconsistency. They hung her out to dry, then she changes her story to support their statements when the Corsicana Sun and their city manager begin waving their hearsay claims around as proof of Willingham's guilt. Sounds to me like a mother of three murdered girls who is just trying to set the record straight. Weatherford. Government is the only enity that is allowed that choice. Also, he changed his story on the fire, I understand, about 27 times. I will tell you that fires don't set themselves. Am I the only one here that is shaking my head and thinking, Wow! You are a dishonest, misleading, annoying, little twerp who is attempting to lie and bullshit your way here. "That seems quite a leap to deem that negligence amounting to depraved indifference, at least as I understand the term. She was about 37 in 1991 when she cold-bloodedly murdered my brother. You linked to something that links to a case. and Nina Kuykendall. Each request was denied. I don't trust laws they make. But I have much more respect for the person who can step up to the plate and say "I made a mistake. But that's not a reasonable conclusion based on her inconsistent statements.Really who you should blame for this line of argument isn't the media but her family members who gave affidavits about what she'd supposedly said at a private family meeting. Bradley has six grandchildren: Chloe, Eva, Matthew, Blake, Nicolas, and Maximus. There may well be a case somewhere in this country where an innocent was executed. [5] to the late Carmen and Ethel Cates Kuykendall. If you cannot be civil, you might at least try being logical.Here is a third question that you have evaded. Florida doctors are the worst in the nation.I used to be against the death penalty until I started looking at and thinking about the victim and I stopped worrying about mad-dog killers who deserve execution and nothing less. Susan Kuykendall Obituary (2023) - Coal City, IL - Morris Herald-News Her statement makes it pretty clear that she was initially trying to cover for him and to the extent that it contains a confession it is a tacit confession at best.You are responsible for recklessly stirring up the pain for this woman by pursuing the bogus innocence claims but rather than owe up to your misdeeds you decide to smear the victim. He had a way with women and treated them real nice. This is done to to catch anything the state can use agianst them in appeals as well as intecept any contrband or escape plans . The general feeling is that they were given an additional burden to carry and there is no place to direct these emotions. You expect Willingham to react in a professional manner and it didn't happen. Stacy Kuykendall said she believed for over a decade her husband, Cameron Todd Willingham, didn't deliberately start the house fire that killed their three daughters. Dub was born July 24, 1945 in Hamilton Texas to O.W. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I guess you all still don't get it. Only an ignorant person would believe that his recent statements bear any reflection to the work he did defending Willingham. Your fire was not a duplicate of the Willingham fire so don't pull your with me. That this is the tip of the ice berg is only how I feel.The name Todd Willingham has caused a lot of people to stop, question and take an interest in our brand of justice. Tuesday, November 29, 2022 CHARLESTON, Mo. This looks like more than one person got cuaght in a huge lie and now is very desperate to get out of it . Did you consider the fact that he behaved differently when he thought no one was watching him than when there were people around? Stacy Kuykendall - Facebook You are not. Then she stabbed another man and he died. We don't cry. I consider that to be a frankly absurd standard to require people to live up to, especially in such a frantic and life-threatening scenario as being inside a burning building. We know why the fire happened; we just don't know who did it. He got mad and took the bait. Anon. If you've seen photos of the Willingham house you know there were plenty of windows that could be broken in an emergency. We're not supposed to charge, convict and execute people for being the kind of human being we don't approve of. Anon 2:27, that is the most cogent explanation of the death penalty farce in Texas I have ever heard. Gary Kuykendall Obituary - Times Record And, no, you have not been civil. We know Beyler reached his conclusion without bothering to consult a man who actually was on site investigating the scene of the fire searching for accidental causes and points of origin. is not allowed the same thing. That is not a violation of privilege. I have not previously offered an opinion on whether or not he set the fire. With respect to IAC I have seen no legal authority charge Mr. Martin with anything. She kept it just in case that corrupt so-called "justice system" decided to prosecute the serial killer who murdered my brother but they never did.You CAN commit murder in Florida and get away with it. Don't project, SB. Another cousin murdered in Californiathe murderer received a slap on the wristbecause he was wealthy and had connections, apparently.The coroner who did the autopsy on my murdered brother SAID it was murder, but the corrupt law enforcement and corrupt, so-called "judicial system" in Florida, deliberately and intentionally covered up his murder and others as well. You really need your own blog. He departed this life and entered into eternal peace on January 6, 2020. Therefore, your argument that he has a right to defend himself is misleading. It must be said: Not everything Stacy Kuykendall has said about the Todd Willingham case is true. I viewed this video again, and Mr. Cooper never said any such thing. Until then, speculating what one may do during a fire or other emergency is meaningless. When people wake up they are typically disoriented for a period of time and it's no surprise they don't always act logically or reasonably.People saying they know for certainty what a person would do while never being awoken from sleep in a fire, and haven't had explained to them what exactly it is like to experience such a thing, have no business putting themselves in Willingham's shoes.Why is it not possible that the extreme conditions and chaos of the moment overwhelmed his sense of parental responsibility and he just chose to save his own ass? Hardly conflicting. And a reasonable person would be familiar with the case opinions where no IAC was found and not make false accusations. In so doing, he also made it clear he still does not understand a major thrust of what Hurst, Beyler, and others are saying: a visual inspection of "pour patterns" is meaningless in determining whether or not arson was committed. What motive would Stacy have to lie about something like this after all this time.
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