In the late 90s I spoke to the sheriff about letting me carry a 1911. It also sported a manual safety. If you carry cocked and unlocked (I.e. Thank you Bob. certified instructor prior to handling any firearm and be sure to read your owners manual. Having a father-in-law like you would be the next best thing. De-cocking lever is down, requiring manual movement up to re-enable the pistol. What a joke, you have no business teaching anyone about firearms. Wasting time pulling the trigger on a round that is not likely to fire is not solving your problem that the pistol was pulled to solve. Live The Armory Life. I am a novice with pistols. The safety added a small measure of safety. Manual Decocking And How To Do It Safely - USA Carry Beretta always gave me problems. Just because its tougher for you, personally, to train people whose guns have a decocker, doesnt mean having a decocker or a DA/SA pistol is a bad idea. Whether it's your. My first semiauto was a Sig P229, after 30 years carrying revolvers, and I loved it *because* it used the same safety plan as a revolver, no safety on the gun except the DA pull, just like a revolver, then SA until decocked. There is no means of releasing tension on the striker. Why are you Glocksuckers always desperately seeking validation? All the H&K has the perfect decor king mechanism. Sure but anything that can enhance safety for the great uwashed is a value proposition. 35 ViS was made IN Radom. Find me a couple of highly-rated professional carry instructors that insist the best way to carry a SA auto (or a DA/SA auto with a cocked-and-locked option) is with the hammer cocked and the safety off (cocked and unlocked) and Ill happily give you that point. The last two are de-cocker models that I can bring into battery just as quickly as a tupperware gun, but it is more accurate, has less perceived recoil, and is less ammo sensitive than most striker fired pistols. Right, because the gun is responsible and not the user, is that what youre saying? I watched a bunch of videos about how to pull your pistol from a holster and in several of them I saw the gun owner shoot himself with pistols with striker fire. but it was close to it and its been my best. Ohio Set to Reform Gun Free Zone Penalties? There is no need to de-cock a pistol at speed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I am better informed now, thanks! Below are several options and methods to safely decock a pistol. (OK, thats a bit of an exaggeration, but). After the first shot, the slide will cycle and automatically cock the hammer for the next shot, resulting in a shorter, lighter second trigger press. . They offer no tangible safety benefit. My FNX .45 has a lever decocker built into the safety lever. The decocker is safer than letting the hammer down on a loaded chamber on a wheel gun. They are a world of improvement over single action only/manual safety styles. I have one, could never convince myself to carry it, and keep the chamber empty at home. Various techniques to do it safely. In fact, you never actually have to use the decocker. A lot of this comes from the fact that the gun is often carried with the hammer cocked, which might appear intimidating to some shooters. Thumb in front of the firing pin, gently drop the hammer against your thumb, release trigger, slowly remove thumb while guiding the hammer forward. A Glock CAN have a heavier pull, and I explained how, above. and does not stay down in an inoperable/safe mode. No you do not decock the pistol. Decockers are like toilet seats. Tenth? Frame-mounted decocker is placed within easy reach of shooters thumb. . Seems like a moot issue. Goddam, I wish I had a father like you. Decocking the 1911??? | 1911Forum Take alot of what he said with a decent dose of salt. I dont get the hate for decockers Do people really not understand the point behind it? if you can easily swap from de- cock to manual (some czs) then this is a non- issue. If that person ever has to fire or even just draw his gun in self-defense, theres an excellent chance that the first arriving police officer will command, Drop that weapon! If they dont comply, theyre likely to get shot. Seriously?). In fact Mr. Brownings personal 1911 doesnt even have a thumb safety. I love my old Israeli police trade-in Jericho that is marked IMI rather than IWI. Since it is a general safety precaution, this is the first and foremost crucial weapon safety regulation. And the hard primer crap is usually just that crap. 2023 Springfield Armory. Striker monkeys. The theme of this article is absolute bull$hit and written by another expert. I started shooting pistol competitions in the early 80s with a 1911 and later carried double/single autos in the late 80s until today with 5 years as a cop. This finger will serve as a "hammer block" and will prevent the gun from discharging if the hammer slips while you're decocking it. Carrying a concealed pistol in this method allows you to un-holster the weapon and fire unimpeded by a safety. The SA was awfully squishy, and didnt seem to have a clean break point like my 1911 or SAAs. If running a decocker is tough to learn and put into practice, you might re-think armed self defense and carry a baseball bat. The Walther PP was introduced in 1929 with a safety/decocker. Striker pist ols simply don't offer this advantage. It is kind of a CZ copy, complete with de-cocker. On most designs, leaving the lever engaged results in a dead (i.e., non-functional) trigger. Seriously??? This is why a decocker is an extra in my opinion. I decock the gun every time I unholster it for safety. This is about as much crap as the primer crap above. Yes, I know all the mantra about the human being the final safety, the gun is not at fault the person is, etc. Id say it makes the gun safer because you dont have to pull the trigger and then put the hammer down with your thumb when you want it decocked. Have to insert a short story here, If it doesnt deserve perforation, then I shouldnt be pointing my gun at it, I shouldnt have my finger on the trigger, and the fact that Im pulling the trigger a bit when I dont mean to fire is a terrible habit to train. 35 Vis also known as the Radom seems to be the first de-cocker equipped pistol. Its convenient and easy to use. [Solved] To decock a pistol safely and easily you should: A. Use a Get everything included in Premium plus exclusive Gold Membership benefits. Grip the pistol in your dominant hand. There have been cases of people shooting themselves when holstering their pistol because their finger or some foreign object hit the trigger as the gun was going into the scabbard. I have not tried that on my 1911s, probably should. So how could all these 19th century and early 20th century people carry guns with a round in the chamber or a round under the hammer in the case of a revolver and not have all sorts of accidental discharges? Depends on the model, but not all decocker equipped pistols require extra steps or anything to get wrong during a DGU. As I recall from the time Col. Cooper referred to these types of pistols as Crunch and ticklers. You had to CRUNCH the trigger back for the first shot and be really careful with the next. . I took a course once from an ex-cop who said he always carried a 1911 style with the chamber empty and the hammer down (Is that Israeli carry?) Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The first trigger pull takes a little time to get used to if you are more familiar with striker-fired pistols, but it isnt that hard. A tap/rack drill does not change the shooting grip, and it gets rid of a potential dud round (far more likely than a hard primer). The last 15 percent feature other operating systems. There are some good DA/SA handguns out there and people that can use them despite what Cooper had to say. Did you make that up, because anyone who follows competitive pistol shooting knows czs dominant production class. Your choice. On can manually drop the trigger with their thumb but risk exists with that and slide can come back and smash your thumb and fingers into a bloody pulp. Your opinion please. or an instructor who has seen the various problems with effective use of these pistols in actual use. Any advice on safety would be greatly appreciated. Basically, striker fired plastic fantastics are cocked and locked as well its just you have less control over them. The pistol can only fire when the trigger is pulled - that is the 3 safeties you are talking about. Proper storage usually requires that the firing chamber be empty and magazine removed; this includes revolvers and semi-auto pistols. Try this on your toy by holding the loaded gun in your left hand, pointed in a safe direction, and then flicking your right trigger finger across the trigger until the hammer falls. I love my 1911. Just the good shooters, effective shooters, and most instructors. Invest in a. If a firearm registered in your name went missing due to sheer negligence and got misused, be prepared to face severe consequences. Donec aliquet. If I were limited to only owning and carrying one gun, it would be a Sig P226. You know so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I actually would want to. Id never had a pistol like that before and, at first, thought it was pretty weird. Carry it that way. Ive been an instructor in handgun retention and disarming since 1980 and a trainer of other instructors since 1990. The grip safety is there for a reason, too. if one uses the two handed technique, where one uses the other hand to block access to the firing pin while thumbing down the hammer. When worn, They would often fire even if the safety was engaged (Savage 32 was known for this). You simply operate the pistol the way you practice and train to do so. When the original concept of a DA re volver was invented a century and a half ago, the idea of mastering the long heavy tri gger pull was never envisioned. Only in SEA did we load with six. The Truth About Pistol De-Cockers Ill not give up my inherited pistol. Embrace it. My wife, who shoots maybe once a year, ran a tactical course with my CZ. Many decocking systems will have a hammer block or some kind of mechanism to prevent the hammer from actuating the firing pin when decocking, even those that decock swiftly. 35 Vis is captioned as Beretta 92F, hammer down, trigger forward.. Surplus cop DA/SA pistols are many shooters first high-quality, reliable pistol, and that leaves an angelic-like impression on many folks which is largely undeserved. And, similar to many striker fired pistols, there is no manual safety to prevent me from firing the weapon when I want to. As I said above, if youre good with a DA/SA, youll be great with a quality striker-fired pistol. It truly is a classic nice and helpful piece of information and facts. The first pull will be stiffer, but thatwont matter much in a fight for your life scenario, and its only heavy on the first shot. @ Big Mickey I agree. This step-by-step guide will help you understand how to load, discharge, and clear a pistol safely. It didnt fall out and the hammer was covered protecting it. The photo of the wz. He specified hammer down carry. Even the most reliable and least detectable. Decocking safeties (like on the 92-series and the Walther PP/PPK) are whatever, theyre not my cup of tea but I see why some people like them. The things just work, and work well! I can carry it either cocked and locked, OR as a DA by thumbing down the hammer. If you train and your muscle memory is set up for flicking off a safety first, then that is fine too.
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