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No contemporary account carries any mention of the gunfight that Brushy claimed transpired between himself and Garrett, Poe, and McKinney after Barlow was killed. Billy the Kid had a terrible habit of Brushy is literate! Author: Asagan CC BY-SA 3.0. meeting with Governor Thomas Mabry of New Mexico to request a pardon for his identical names -I dont thinks so. thought: In March of 1879 Billy the Kid secretly met and made a bargain with For example, Brushy said that John Selman fought on the McSween side in the Lincoln County War. Location: Hico, Texas. Bill Roberts from Lucas Speers Billy the Kid Web Site. Garrett and the Kid were not the good friends that legend claims. Another false piece of evidence used against Brushy was that he was left-handed, and the Kid right-handed. killed the Kid on the spot, not concocted such a plan. Billy the Kid Museum, Hico, Texas - RoadsideAmerica.com Brushy supporters that gullible and blind to the truth? According to most sources, theinfamous outlaw met his end at the tender age of 21 in the summer of 1881, when he was gunned down by Lincoln County Sheriff Pat Garrett in Fort Sumner, New Mexico. If he was really Oliver P., then how did Brushy come by so much knowledge of Billy the Kid, when he would have been far too young to have even participated in the Lincoln County War? His parents were James H. and Mary Adeline Roberts. Billy the Kid? - Angelfire Till her During his testimony, According to people who knew them, both Brushy and the Kid could write and shoot just as well with either hand. Oliver Pleasant "Brushy Bill" Roberts (1862-1950) - Find a Grave Look above at the photosBrushy doesn't look anything at all like Billy the on July 14, 1881 by Pat Garrett, but was alive and well, living in Hico, Texas under the alias of self titled Billy the Kid. Brushy supporters disregard this evidence and their popular supporters deny that Oliver P. Roberts, in the above census, is not their gave his verdict, I am taking no action, now or ever, on this application And, finally, if Brushy was really Oliver P., then what happened to the real William Henry Roberts? as Marcella or Marcel. make it drink. In closing, (just as Oscar Garrett had said) I do not wish money buying a headstone? When a historians personal agenda and biasness is pushed, or something from a subjective topic is declared as ridiculous, the historian loses their objectivity. If Garrett did Brushy supporters also say the Oliver Severo Gallegos, Jose Montoya, and Martile Able, all surviving friends of Billy the Kid, met with Brushy Bill separately. An old lawman named Henry Anthony and his sons were also on the street and when Anthony saw Brushy, he jumped up and yelled at Brushy, calling him Billy Bonney, and told him to throw up his hands. Brushy Bill Roberts, who claimed to be the notorious outlaw Billy the Kidhere wearing mustaches well as a wide-brimmed hat, neck scarf, and coat. rode off, eh? So the Story starts that in 1948 A man named Joe Hines, came up to a Lawyer named William V Morrison to claim the property of Outlaw Jesse Evans" recently deceased brother. According to authors W.C. Tri- Star-Boze Productions, Inc. 1996. When his wife said she needed to mail a package, Brushy said he would walk it down to the post-office. Now lets talk about the Kid's friends. Come Morrison immediately telephoned Mabry, who apologized for making the announcement, but reassured him that the meeting would still be kept private. those that believe he is, so I'm going to be blunt and shoot from the hip. and other crucial moments in his life, such as the fact that Dolan did not Billy the Kid - Wikipedia Yes, that was their goal, but here's some food for wall to reclaim his revolver. Brushy Bill Roberts (August 26, 1879 [1] - December 27, 1950; claimed date of birth December 31, 1859) also known as William Henry Roberts, [2] Ollie Partridge William Roberts, Ollie N. Roberts, or Ollie L. Roberts, was an American man who attracted attention in the late 1940s and the 1950s by claiming to be Western outlaw William H. Bonney, also Kid buffs Thomas J. Mabry, governor of New Mexico, agreed to a private hearing with Morrison and Brushy, along with one or two historians of Mabrys choosing, to be held on Nov. 29. Real Name: Oliver Pleasant Roberts, posthumously renamed William Henry Roberts to question Roberts he replied, I do not wish to dignify this claim with Hines went on to say that besides himself and Billy, there was only one other surviving veteran of the Lincoln County War, namely Jim McDaniels, a member of the Jessie Evans Gang. After This isnt a Hollywood Western where men walk around with half their Not only were Brushy and Billy the Kid's photos compared and analyzed Billy the Kid on the other hand, had an oval-shaped Moreover, there is no DNA support. Maxwell's because he was suspicious, then upon hearing shots being fired, Billy the Brushy also said that he doubted that Billy Barlow was the man's real name. In Hico, Brushy was reexamined by Dr. W. F. Hafer and told to get as much rest as possible. Although this is technically not evidence against Brushys own claim, it does cast a serious shadow of doubt on his own credibility. Several of the things Brushy told Morrison, though at first glance may have seemed trivial, actually were very important, as few people, historians included, knew of them. So if Brushy were This really did happen, but only posse member Jim East knew of it and he only spoke of it in a letter he wrote to fellow lawman Charlie Siringo. dead and buried. Morrison believed for the rest of his life that Roberts was really Billy the Kid. Brushy Bill Roberts. myth to his testimony. Yes, Mrs. Maxwell asked if If a is found in several census records: age one in 1880, Arkansas; age twenty friends pitched in and bought a headstone for his unmarked grave in the If after They base this on the fact that, according to the Roberts' family records, Oliver Partridge Roberts was born in Coleman County, Texas, in 1879. Present in the room were several photographers and reporters, armed policemen, Oscar and Jarvis Garrett (Pats sons), Cliff McKinney (Kip McKinneys son), Arcadio Brady (William Bradys grandson), and historians William Keleher, E. B. Mann, and Will Robinson. not Lutcida, so therefore this Oliver P. Roberts is not Brushy. more different. If the Kid didn't No matter shoulder blown off as if it were a paper cut; gunshots wounds as Brushy If Brushy was not really Billy the Kid, then why did he come forward and claim he was? If Brushy Bill's story is true, then it would mean that Pat Garrett had shot a different person and had allowed Billy the Kid to escape. meeting was set, it would've been a trap and Garrett would've arrested or On the way out the door, Brushy stopped Morrison and told him to come back in the afternoon of the next day, when his wife would be out visiting a friend and they would have the house to themselves. Rather than face his own legal troubles, Garrett apparently put the body in the ground and called him the Kid. Since Brushy was so young and Catherine moved around so much, everyone just assumed that Brushy was her son. Wallace and that Billy was not killed in 1881 and still deserved his pardon. rifle and Alex McSweens arrest warrant. leave New Mexico after his jailbreak 2 1/2 months earlier, what makes people entirely filled with Billy the Kid supporters and friends, there were some And if words werent enough, the old man hadall the scars that the real Billy the Kid reportedly had. The Kids fame definitely did not end in July 1881 and he fascinates the public up to this day. After the Billy vs. Brushy - About Billy the Kid Author Daniel A. Edwards does not call Garrett a liar, but believes that, like many in his day, Garrett was a pragmatist. He swore for the rest of his life that Brushy was the Kid. Aboutfour weeks later, Brushy Billsuffered a heart attackwhile walking to the post office and died on December 27, 1950. The theory that he was illiterate sprang from a quote C. L. Sonnichsen wrote in his book, that Roberts was "not a literate man." to dignify this claim any more than I have and I wash my hands of it. for a farewell fling, but it wasnt with an Indian girl it was with Paulita not a cold-blooded killer, because to me, that is whats most important. it's not because he faked Billy the Kid's death, but more likely that he He also reported that Pat Garrett had actually shot and killed another gunslinger named Billy Barlow, passing his body off as the Kid, allowing him to vanish for Mexico. Brushy Bill stated that Jesse James was in Lincoln county and for years and years historians claimed bullshit but it was until fairly recently that they have found documents proving Jesse James was in Lincoln County and had been operating a counterfeit money system there with Billy. Kid's death, she was one of the first to find him lying on the floor of Pete his dark hair and complexion, but he did have gray eyes with yellow specks The stories told byBrushy Bill seemed quite convincing to the intrigued investigator. In the 1930 Van Zandt census Roberts turned had a square-shaped head, squared jaw line, large but long hanging ears and He also stated that any differences in the picture of Brushy and Billy the Kid is that Billy the Kid's face was altered when getting his photo was being touched up. time as we learn more about the real Billy the Kid. Brushy Bill had each and every scar Billy was said to have (and more). When the time came for Young to return home, Brushy regretfully said he couldnt accompany him, since his wife was sick. Jessie Evans, or Joe Hines as he was later known, confirmed to Morrison that Brushy Bill was the Kid. Further, William V. Morrison discovered five living witnesses that were willing to sign sworn affidavits under oath that Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid. unveiled that the Kid was actually ambidextrous, so now it's said they'll never change their opinion, the only reason I even wrote this page was for those who are undecided and just right-handed, then suddenly Brushy is right-handed as well. From what it sounds like Morrison used At the same time, Morrison attempted to track down Jim McDaniels, yet this proved an impossible feat. Therefore, I have retooled my particular website, in an attempt to accomplish the difficult feat of removing as much biasness as possible and simply providing the facts, which I believe is the true job of a historian. rationalize it? The old man said he had nothing to lose and hoped that Morrison would help him gain the pardon that he had beenpromised some 70 years agoby New Mexicos Governor Thomas J. Mabry. Morrison said he would help the old man in his case, but only if he could be shown proof that Brushy was who he claimed to be. (Lucas- thanks for providing me with the One day in the 1940s, Brushy was walking down a street in Hico. For one, the actual grave site of the Kid has been lost to history and there is no body. By 1950, the story of Billy the Kid was well known and most facts According to Brushy, Oliver left home at one point and was killed on the trail. He concluded, however, that the man in front of him, just as his contemporaries claimed, was actually Billy the Kid. courthouse, but instead he just got on a horse and rode off. If Brushy were Billy the Kid, he most On the morning of the 29th, as Morrison and Brushy at breakfast at a Santa Fe diner, Morrison read in a local newspaper that Mabry had publicly announced his meeting with a Billy the Kid claimant. French that accompanied Billy to Brady's body so the Kid could reclaim his After capturing Billy Billy the He obviously came to know the traditional history (one way or another) of the Kid, so what would be his motive for saying he was born in Texas and that Catherine McCarty was his half-aunt? Untitled Billy the Kid/Brushy Bill Roberts - IMDb Brushy Bill Roberts: The man who claimed to be Billy the Kid, he had Today in History - April 28 | Library of Congress Are they so closed-minded to the evidence that they cant In reality, the Kid gunned down both his guards, used a pick axe to free supposedly received, would have immobilized him for days. accounts. No one is claiming that Oliver P. Roberts was Billy the Kid. 15 Brushy Bill Roberts Premium High Res Photos - Getty Images I'm sure they feel the same way about me, but come onthe So in other words, its purely coincidental that few letters to passage of time. Photos: First Look Images on the Set of THE FINAL TRIAL OF BILLY THE KID Untitled Billy the Kid/Brushy Bill Roberts: Examination of Billy the Kid's, the outlaw known from the Lincoln County Wars, life. Hines told Morrison of his experiences in the Lincoln County Wars with 19th-century American frontier outlaw and gunman, Billy the Kid who was allegedly killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett on July 14, 1881, but he stunned Morrison by claiming that the Kid was still alive and living near Hamilton, Texas under the name Ollie L. "Brushy Bill" Roberts. McNeil and Grinder, both impartial observers and both experienced in handling and making determinations on evidence, stated that, based on the study, the case for William Henry Roberts and Billy the Kid's being the same man was "strong", "substantial" and "excellent." Extra Notes: This case first aired on the March 1, 1989 episode. CREATIVE. wannabe Billy the Kids began surfacing, the Kid's surviving friends from Brushy Bill Roberts had numerous gun and knife scars on his body that indicated a life of combat fighting that were inconsistent with the life of a simple farmer. So now But one had caused quite a stir and gained nation wide attention and even to this day his claim is being talked When the boy ran into the street and was almost hit by a car, the mother yelled out her son's name, Billy, loudly. Links: Unsolved Mysteries Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. Oliver P. Roberts and Brushy just happen to marry women with similar to Reply. scratch handwriting and his wife did all of his writing for him. Bob Young, Alton Thorton, W. F. Hafer, Jimmy Ramage, Ablo Norman, Tom Turner, and L. L. Gamble, all surviving friends of Brushy, said he was either literate, or not sure, but none of them said he was illiterate. Brushy Bill claimed he was Billy the Kid, who was shot and killed by Pat Garrett in 1881. Hines was claiming that the land of his recently deceased brother now belonged entirely to him, since he was the only surviving heir. They say its because Brushy wifes name was Louticia, Brushy Jim Tully, a good friend of Brushy's, signed an affidavit that Brushy was completely literate. With the help of Ted Andress, a lawyer from an El Paso law firm, Morrison drew up the papers necessary for Brushys pardon. killers at his funeral. Mabry made an announcement that he was not going to pardon Brushy, because he did not believe him to be Billy the Kid. But up to the day of his death, Brushy Bill said that he was Billy the Kid. the family bible as August 26, 1879. 41 in 1920 again in Van Zandt. how old and senile Billy the Kid would not have forgotten Pat Garretts name his death conveniently faked and leave the territory for once and for all. Billy the Kid and/or his death was a hoax, then I shake my head, throw my hands up in the In November of 1950 Morrison and Brushy went No. That alone is more than enough proof that Brushy and Billy Pat Garrett and his deputies he retreated in a Mexicans house. The first three all signed legal affidavits attesting to the fact that Brushy Bill and Billy the Kid were one and the same and the Jones brothers, although they did not sign affidavits (claiming they didnt want to get involved in the proceedings) also stated their agreement with this. misspelling error? To have pulled famous outlaw are divided and argue so bitterly about Brushy being Billy the In 1990, a legitimate, scientifically based and statistically significant photo - comparison analysis was conducted at the Laboratory for Vision Studies and the Advanced Graphic Laboratory at the University of Texas, Austin, by Dr Alan Bovik of the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering. Kid would not have been so foolish as I would love to hear any questions, thoughts or suggestions on this. Corroborations, for example, that the person Pat Garrett killed from ambush was a Mexican with a beard, and not Billy the Kid. nowhasnt anyone else had their name spelled incorrectly? Although this is not technically evidence in support of Brushys claim, and in no way connects him directly to Billy the Kid, it does indicate he was a man used to danger. But then it was learned the Kid was really Morrison did indeed return the following day and Brushy admitted to him that he truly was Billy the Kid, only he didnt want to say so in front of his wife. Upon entering the conference room, they were shocked at what they saw. Mabry. his death was the greatest hoax in Old West history. Its said that he was buried in Fort Sumner Cemetery the following day alongside two other members of his gang. Click here, Metz, Leon Pat Garrett University In addition, thereis evidence in the historical record that seems to support the claims of Brushy Bill Roberts that he took on his cousin's identity around 1910. They are as follows: Brushy Bills knowledge of the Lincoln County War and the life of Billy the Kid was too extensive to have all been read. tell me that Lutcida and Louticia are not the same woman just over a Signs in downtown Hico, Texas, proclaim the history of Billy the Kid who some local residents say was really "Brushy Bill" Roberts, a former Hico. dying day she was extremely bitter towards Garrett for killing Billy the Kid and He had previously shot two men without warning in his attempt to get Billy the Kid (Tom O'Folliard and Charlie Bowdrie). click Rudabaugh and go in the other room with an Indian girl. bargain he made with the governor to the news press. On July 14, 1881 Not exactly. it was thought for years that he was left-handed, If only I got a dollar every time my name was misspelled There exists no evidence, other than the word of Brushy Bill, that Billy Barlow, the man Brushy said Garrett really killed, ever existed. Was Brushy Bill really Oliver P. Roberts? This is true, but very, very few researchers knew of this back during the time Brushy made his claim. death was mourned for years by his friends and one of his loyal admirers was Deluvina Giving up on the McDaniels angle, Morrison wrote to Brushy and told him that he would like to meet him. The truth about Brushy himself and couldnt recall important events in Billy the Kids life. Case:Unknown Identity Barlow, he said, was partially Mexican, had a beard, looked like the Kid, was a little younger than the Kid, and was possibly related to the Clements family, the cousins of John Wesley Hardin. Im sorry but people who from the Billy the Kid Outlaw Gang's web site that didn't like him. Billy the Kid always still other bits of evidence that squashes Brushys claim ( I would before Governor Thomas Mabry to request a pardon for Brushy Bill Roberts John Poe, Dep. gun down Tunstall, because Dolan wasnt even there. The study compared the Dedrick-Upham tintype, the only authenticated image of Billy the Kid with a photograph of William Henry Roberts taken when Roberts was in his late eighties. any questions When all was said and done Governor Mabry In a nutshell, Brushys story went like this: he was born William Henry Roberts on December 31, 1859 in an area of Texas known as Buffalo Gap. Brad Smithfield is one of the authors writing for The Vintage News, Join 1000s of subscribers and receive the best Vintage News in your mailbox for FREE, Wuzhen: The Ancient Chinese Water Town with a history of more than 7,000 years, Before establishing Scientology, L. 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For example, he knew that Colonel Dudley's soldiers that entered Lincoln on July 19, 1878 were black, he knew all the details of how the Kid had to pay his lawyer for his services in his trial, he knew that Billy the Kid wrote a letter to Gov. Brushy Bill had a well-known association with J. Frank Dalton, a proven false Jesse James claimant. it off, Garrett and the Kid had to meet somewhere to plan this hoax, but Although many Roberts relatives state that Brushy and Oliver were two different people, there is at least one who says they were in fact the same. Source: Fair use. He is said to have rolled his eyes when he heard Brushy Bills story, saying that he would not take any actions concerning the application for Billy the Kids pardon as he didnt believe Brushy Bill was that man. is some simple proof that Brushy Bill Roberts was NOT Billy the Kid. including eyewitnesses accounts, said he was, while the Brushy Bill Roberts the two met and went on a road trip to New Mexico. Ollie P. Bill Roberts, also known as Brushy Bill. the Kid swearing an oath to avenge Tunstall's murder at the funeral was made A few hours later, Brushy and Morrison arrived at Mabrys mansion. The photo of 14 year old Brushy was close match to the tintype. shot in the jaw, left shoulder and across the top of the head. In 1990, the famous tintype of Billy the Kid, a purported photo of the Kid at age 12, a photo of Brushy at age 14, and a photo of Brushy at age 90 were analyzed in the Acton-Bovik photo study. Billy the Kid was killed that night in Fort Sumner because all the facts, For Henry McCarty (September 17 or November 23, 1859 - July 14, 1881), alias William H. Bonney, better known as Billy the Kid, was an American outlaw and gunfighter of the Old West who is alleged to have killed 21 men before he was shot and killed at the age of 21. learning that Garret was passing Billy Barlows body off as him, Brushy average set shoulders. Dolan and Campbell killed her attorney, Huston Chapman and the most absurd Further intrigued, Morrison probed Hines for the Kids name and address and the old man finally consented. Thomas McKinney, and the vast majority of everyone else who claimed to have seen the body of the man Garrett killed agreed to this. Supporters will center punch one sparse example such as the Brushy Bill Roberts on the other hand slipped away unseen with the help of Frank Lobato. (the night the Kid was killed), Brushy recalled that he was warned that In the meantime, Morrison was to continue working on his case. In a nutshell, Brushy's story went like this: he was born William Henry Roberts on December 31, 1859 in an area of Texas known as Buffalo Gap. vengeance over his employers grave during the funeral if he wasnt even Witnesses said that Brushy whirled around and reached for an imaginary pistol. recommend to visitors who wish to learn more, to click on the links at the was he couldnt even remember Pat Garrett's name. He completely forgot basic information about himself , and, when he was asked a serious question regarding the past of Billy the Kid, he forgot that as well. how many girlfriends he had, did he enjoy stealing livestock, etc.). beginning when Brushy first came forward with his claim, it was pointed out Who was Brushy Bill Roberts This got me thinking: why cant just one website show both sides of the argument equally, without letting personal beliefs affect the matter? left-handed and illiterate, but like Billy the Kid, he was literate and Still, there are many people today who believein the legitimacy of Brushy Bills claim. He showed many of the same marks and scars acquired to his body as Billy the Kid and his ability to slip out of handcuffs. If his testimony was correct then Olinger and Bell were never so Brushy was said to be left-handed too. These claims are usually based on genealogical records of the actual Oliver P. Roberts prior to 1910, which do not match known photographs or facts that have been proven to be true about William Henry "Brushy Bill" Roberts. Fact vs. The photo at the top of this page is of Brushy Bill Roberts, taken in 1949 or 1950 by William V. Morrison. Why must a person looking for information on Billy the Kid via the internet have to visit two different sites, made by two different people with two very different opinions, just to get all the facts? Collections; . Author Jim Johnson has been intrigued with the Old West, its lore, and its legends all of his life. If not, then when exactly did Brushy step into the life of Oliver and begin using his name (it would have had to have been sometime between the census reports)? Why did he change his middle initial from P. to L.? remembered that Susan McSween was not present when Chapman was killed. After Barlow was killed, Brushy continued, he fled Fort Sumner. US Travelers charged up to THREE times more for vacations Oliver P. Roberts was a cousin of Brushy Bill Roberts. It seems unlikely that he came forward in order to achieve fame, as other claimants had in the past, due to the way he and Morrison insisted upon secrecy in their dealings with Gov. Brushy Bill Roberts - Wikipedia In the late year of 1949 William Morrison of a law firm heard that Billy the Kid was not killed in Fort Sumner Brushy Bill Roberts' claim that he was Billy the Kid was depicted in the 1990 movie Young Guns II. and that Susan McSween was present when However, Lincoln, New Mexico in the 1870s and 1880s was rotten to the core with cronyism and corruption. Several months later, after completing the Hines case (in which Hines was given his brothers land), Morrison struck up a written correspondence with Brushy Bill. Also if not, why would Geneva Pittmon say they were? need a little nudge in the right direction. on December 27th, while walking to the post office, Brushy suffered a massive

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