Melcher told me he had no memory of it. They destroyed thousands of pieces of evidence, RFK Jr. stated.And these are the people we entrusted to get to the bottom of the TLB case. 0 The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. It was a probably Whitson tracking Abigail. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. He also knew Charles Manson. I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. . HA HA HA!! Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit This is a bit off topic. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. You weren't in the Family. He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. 1. . He was living with all kinds of people because he didn't want to work and earn a living. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. He began the process around the start of Oct '69, a couple of weeks before Manson was arrested at Barker Ranch {for something unrelated}. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. Manson's partner left a pair of eyeglasses by the steamer trunks. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. Thank you, Bunkhouse. While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. I traced Whitson online. Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube Hatami directed him to the caretaker's guest house on the other side of the pool, where Rudy Altobelli lived. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseAnd he didn't report this to the Police ? Reeve Whitson? ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. She didn't go along with it, but she felt it might hurt them if she took it away. Who. Really? Are YOU REAL. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. But I've got my eye on you. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. The first car he asked about was Abigail's. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. He was a marginally employed and only marginally sane police groupie. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? : r - Reddit And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. It was the nation's top-secret film studio that produced more films (moon landing backup films) in one year than all the film studios in the L.A. area combined. That is assuming I outlive him. I actually have been checking in most days since May. But again, nobody saw him. Grim said: But it's not true. He was friends with Jay Sebring and Polanski was a buddy of his, and the Beach Boys--and he met Manson through all this. 7 Mind-Blowing Things We Learned From Joe Rogan's Charles Manson Study the case properly, arm yourself with information that is there and you will see why he was not sent back to prison. I mean, to this day, you will find many people parroting it as fact and creating all kinds of mysteries as a result. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? Now, you'll know from past exchanges that I don't take what you have to say with any seriousness, not because I'm disinterested in what you say, but because you continually dangle but don't deliver. There is a lot more here that doesn't add up. It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. One should remember, it was dark, most of them were unfamiliar with where they were and they weren't exactly studying the scene. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very well.Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. He was very helpful with the police investigation and with District Attorney Bugliosi. In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! Take a person (Krenwinkel) with an IQ just barely in the 3 digits to begin with and add in the hallucinogens, pot and babblings of a man she's in love with (Manson) and you've got a woman operating on a bowl of porridge for brains, katie8753 said "I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. And whenever this 'someone' is challenged to back up whatever cryptic utterances they gush forth, they just utter more of the same and bring in other cases not remotely connected.Yeah, I'm sceptical !So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? A:Right, there was ro reporterThe most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. 77 0 obj <> endobj There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. "I agree. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. It's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ! ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. Some have atrocious recall, Tex & Pat falling into that category. "Put yourself in my position. And besides, eventually, his officer did begin steps to revoke and when he did, it was for things that could actually be proven and made to stick. Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. I came to your office,Q And you were there with a man named Reeves Witson?A:Yes.Q:He is a friend of yours?A:Yes.Q:And I had a conversation with you about this man who walked up in front of the Tate residence?A:Yes, you did.Q:Did I show you some photographs?A:Yes.This is the second time:RONALD HUGHES:Were you called in by Mr. Bugliosi? Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. He didn't even see him during the trial.Reeve Whitson could of course be the spook extraordinaire.but once again, what ends up happening is that theories abound because there are many people that just refuse to accept the verdict as it came down and go looking to find reasons why it must have happened. I spot them right away. Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. Well (1) the flag was there and (2) I don't know why that's a point of conjecture and (3) I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseYou do realize that if this is true, that Hatami witheld crucial information from the Police, went on the stand and testified in a trial and basically stood by while someone was tried and sentenced to death and now is happy for all the world to know this !However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. "That was Sharon. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties It worked. I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. . While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. WG specifically remembered that. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. Winans was the one who coordinated the Tate-LaBianca killings. (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. Mr. O'Neil proposes that Charlie may have been used as a pawn to catch bigger fish, this theory alone really makes this story much bigger. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. [Irvin is talking about Reeve Whitson - Ed.] I do not believe we will ever know the truthYou have the truth. left. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. LAPD were looking for Hatami at the request of Bugliosi because Bugliosi wanted to know if what Rudi Altobelli had told him about Manson turning up at his pad and having been sent there by the people at the main house {and 4 of the 5 Cielo victims were at the house that day} could be corroborated; Bugliosi obviously couldn't get corroboration from Sharon, Jay, Gibbie and Wojiciech and Altobelli had mentioned that he thought Hatami was there that day.Whitson went to Bugliosi's office with Hatami as a friend of Hatami. I hate him too. It should have been MPK 308. I'd never really thought about it but I noticed on various forums people mentioned Moorehouse living at Cielo as though it were a fact then it occurred to me that if such a close associate of the Family lived in Cielo, that would be a pretty significant thing yet I didn't recall the prosecution making any noise about it. endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified
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